In 1859 he opened a studio in New York City. So, I say that he's out of luck, as well. A barrister represented Selina Varney (now Rendall) in the title dispute with Shirley Rountree (Rountree v Rendall) turning on the English and Irish laws of: In 2018 a court battle was still going over ownership of the painting. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 16, 2020: If this were maritime law, she's have salvage rights and claim against the paintings for rescuing them from certain ruin. Even if the diary is not a forgery, it only proves that Lady Blake received a "sketch", which might only be a preliminary version of the watercolor, and not the painting at issue, and the diary does not prove that the painting, if that is what it was, was not given away, bartered, sold or discarded. It really looks very fishy for the Blakes,l I mean how coincidental they just realized it had been stolen! amazing out of all the series this is the one that captured the worlds imagination. surely he would have noticed something missing over 20 years for goodness sake! The whole thing is ridiculous. Previous owners were Oliver Cromwell and Sir Walter Raleigh. Like a paint-by-number, as it were, which would explain why the family always thought it was one of her own watercolors. TV's, sofa's, chairs and broken pieces of rubbish that they no longer want. Nell Rose (author) from England on December 29, 2013: Hi JamaGenee, great to see you! Then it got even better. I just checked, but it seems that it is still stalemate. Embrace the fact that moderation, humility and kindness are virtues and not weaknesses. This is a popular TV program made by the BBC. It's been awhile, but I still think Sotheby's KNOWS its jewels are in a wringer because they didn't do the all important due diligence and verify the provenance of the painting BEFORE agreeing to include it in an auction. He states, ' I feel sorry for her, I really do, I know she wanted the money for a swimming pool or loads of cars'! Just over a year later, the Blake family allege that they have found documents, letters that mention the party that the children had gone too, and the description of the clothes they were wearing in the Painting. What a mystery. Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on September 11, 2014: Nell, the tangled web just gets more tangled! Locals think she is there now as they are away. Suddenly, after nearly 30 years, when the Murray family realized the existence of the painting -- and that it is a valuable painting by a renowned artist -- they declare that the painting was stolen. He left two years later to begin free-lance illustration. The 'well Selina is alright she married and owns a pub'.....try running one, and you will what hard work it is. Being most profficient in both water colours and oil, he soon became very well known. [1] It measures 14 inches by 20 inches and depicts the three children of Sir Henry Blake, the colonial governor of the Bahamas at the time. And, the fellow who lent hard money against the painting entered into the loan with eyes wide open so I think, short of any guaranty codicil, will have to live by the decision of the outcome in the courts-like investing in a race horse that goes lame. but the new owner still has a long way to go. Property that has been abandoned does not belong to anyone and the legal owner who has abandoned it cannot later change their mind when they discover its true worth. That's their problem. Nobody had ever reported it missing, and in fact they hadn't even known of its existence. They are not a wealthy family, and Selina was really excited to think that she could use the money for the children to help them with their future. Thanks for sharing a story that you made easy to understand. They stated that as it was a family piece then it should automatically come back to the family. Furthermore, the painting wasn't legally issued to her to use as collateral. I think its gone on far too long now, the sad thing is if she hadn't taken it onto the TV programme in the first place then nobody would have known about the other claimants, and it would have been over and done with now. if you don't want to write details here, just email me, go to my profile page, down the right hand side till you get to Fan Male, click on there and then send me an email okay? He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as … Pigs. She was then told that she could sell it, and sort out the problem after the sale. G. S. 2020 comment on September 23, 2020: If Mr. Shorer wins and the painting ends up In Worcester Museum ( in Connecticut), it couldn’t have a better home. There was no burglary, as the Blakes stated in the first place. Somehow, there had been a claim on the Painting! lol! Thanks! Winslow Homer (1836–1910) is regarded by many as the greatest American painter of the nineteenth century. This is a very interesting case from a legal perspective. Certainly not the admiration of the art world and fans of great art. Sir Henry Arthur Blake had been the Governor of the Bahamas from 1884 to 1887. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 18, 2014: Hi Trogging, that's so true! Ignored Sotheby's advice it would be sold. Either way the original owner, for whatever reason, decided at the time, that they didn't want the Painting, along with other goods, and threw them away. Then for the next 20 years he forgot about them. [4] Mr. Murray initially offered Ms. Varney 25% of the sale proceeds as a "finder's fee". I watched this last night and was shocked, to then today do some research and discover a 3rd party has made a claim.... Could it have gotten any worse. Home to the Blakes. After twenty long years of collecting dust in a cupboard, they thought it was time that someone else had a chance to own this wonderful Painting. It only takes one to mess up the whole reality of the situation. When Simon Murray, identified the photo, he said the family still had the urn, that they had found and was in the picture. Two different concepts I’m afraid! On either side of her are her younger brothers, Maurice and Arthur. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 28, 2015: Than;ks Penny, Phew! I was desperately short of sleep when I keyed in the above. Hello! Even though the Blake family have never pressed its ownership. brilliant Tibor! Selina believes that as her father found it, and kept it for 20 years, without anyone claiming it, then it belongs to her. It's a page turner indeed. It seems to me that leveraging property you may not own as collateral for a loan is a smart move, and she is being advised by a very good property attorney. Hi Mary, yes it was wasn't it? Without an injuction, without any form off proof, the other party had stopped the sale! the insurance would definitely have proved it so yes they should have records. [4] He offered 30% as a finder's fee, but without an agreement, he would no longer support the sale of the painting at auction. Simon Murray, a lawyer, had the gall to malign the people who found it on the rubbish heap and rescued it, by saying he knew they were hoping to use the money for swimming pools and motor cars. If they were worthy of it, they would not discard the painting as rubbish. it certainly is an on going interesting story! It is only when the item was VALUED that an interest and family need to own it was established. Offered only 25 then 30% to the then owner. I used to think vanity was my favourite sin, now I think it has changed to greed. I personally think Selena had a good case. Then how do we know that Mr Murray hasn’t sold the painting, taken it to the pound shop or tipped it away? If they could be grateful for the find and offer her half the money, I think she would accept it. Selina refused the offer. At this point, there wasn't any reason to think that there would be any problem with the sale of the Painting. [14] Clifford Schorer says the painting was used as security for a loan and that he is now entitled to it, the Blake family having failed to make a claim in a US court. I got interested again after reading about Winslow Homer in a coffee table book about a San Antonio TX couple's collection of 26 Impressionist paintings they'd loaned to the Smithsonian's art gallery in Washington, D.C. On the way back, they happened to walk past a Rubbish Dump. Tony liked collecting things, in fact he has quite a collection of old pictures and other objects, that he likes to keep. The family believe it disappeared from Myrtle Grove after a series of robberies in the 1980s,[10] although Philip Mould notes that there was no crime reported. Nell Rose (author) from England on March 05, 2018: Its a weird situation Paul. Silly girl. When dealing with courts and lawyers, things advance at glacial speed whilst the costs reach Himalayan heights, In other words, there is no incentive for anyone (other than the claimants) to speed up a conclusion. But it does seem that the financial gain goes to the lawyers. In fact most value their artwork yearly. That said, I DO like angiiiii's "solution"...sort of. GREED. [4] Sotheby's were told that the family had no record of owning a painting by Winslow Homer. Great story. A very important water colourist in America in the 19th Century. Who knows. lol! Joanna McKenna from Central Oklahoma on September 12, 2014: For the record, Sotheby's has a long-standing policy of yanking items from auctions at the last minute if there's the slightest whiff of dispute of ownership. For a few years he attended The National Academy of Design, and then went on to study with Frederic Rondel, who taught him the basics of Painting. Regardless of what legal decision will ultimately be made in the case, Simon Murray is a spoiled little weasel who seems to think that inherited money and fancy words hides his low character. Probeer. Obviously not in this case. Nobody had ever reported it missing, or stolen. We're they 'garbage picking' in the tip but too proud to admit it and claimed that they were outside the gates? it will be interesting to see what happens next! Selina's dad found it so that should be the end of it. Are there any updates on the rightful ownership of Homer's 'Children under a palm tree? Now he tells Selena Varney, give me 70-75% of any money raised and I'll allow the sale to go ahead. In this exciting new monograph, Professor Griffin provides fresh insight into the life and work of one of America's most-famous and best-loved artists. They did the right thing but the real mystery is how did they come to be there? Had Selina's dad not had the wherewithal to add it to his collectibles, this wouldn't even be an issue. Homer had Painted the picture when they had all met up abroad. No family of this calibre would not have insured their valuable artworks, and most keep their records for posterity and history. Murray is simply indulging in legal thuggery. At storage and management fees rates of an expensive painting like this she can charge 3000 pounds a year for over 20 years. The fact is that the Painting ended up in the Rubbish dump somehow. 10 minutes before the painting was sold, she was called to the office and told that it had been withdrawn! You always find the most interesting subjects to write about. A perfect depiction of greed and petty behavior of a sneaky man. I noticed his evidence of provenance by way of the letters referred to a sketch not a painting - could it be that Homer sketched the family and gave that to Lady Blake whilst he completed the painting later - perhaps he then took it to Ireland later. It's no coincidence that he is offering Varney 25-30% of a painting est. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 12, 2014: I never realised that Genee, Wow! thanks for reading, nell. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer.It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune?. thanks for reading, nell. Sotheby's should not have stopped the auction after completing due diligence and agreeing to the sale, they were contractually bound to sell the painting. Winslow Homer is bekend voor origineel oplossingen in zijn art work. [2] They were attending a fancy dress party in Arabian costume. This is a place where everyone comes to throw away all their old garbage. Worcester is known for it’s collection of great American artists and Homer is right up there in the top. Clifford Schorer Apr 7 2018 at 1:08 pm I remember the day I stumbled on the collection of the Worcester Art Museum, a mere 16 miles away from my office, but then so quietly marketed, unknown, other than a few scholarly references, to even an enthusiastic amateur like myself. the haves have more, the poor have les and nobody cares! Homer had then given their descendants the Painting as a gift. The home where Homer lived and worked from 1883 … Thanks for reading, nell. C. Flores! In other words, it was just a coincidence that she happened to be there at the same time as the sale. The story of this painting, including how it came to be confirmed as a Winslow Homer and valued at a quarter of a million dollars, is told in the second episode of the BBC’s reality television show, Fake or Fortune. The fact is, Simon Murray and his family never reported any burglary or burglaries of any kind. I can't believe it's taking this long for the courts to declare who the rightful owner actually is. Is there legal documentation where she posted the painting against her debt to him? Leading the revival of realism in the visual arts, the Art Renewal Center (ARC), a 501(C)(3), non-profit, educational foundation, hosts the largest online museum dedicated to realist art only and includes works by the old masters, 19th century, and contemporary realists as well as articles, letters and other online resources. Now, how on earth did Selina get in hock with this other guy? that's the contention I think, yes those lawyers must be raking in the money by now, thanks so much for reading, nell. Do you know of any updates surrounding this story? As she states,' If we hadn't found the painting, it would have been ruined within a couple of days, or even a few hours. "Finders keepers" does not apply in all situations or jurisdictions. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 17, 2017: Thanks Pardelope, I believe its out of her hands now, which I am sure she is really pleased! Winslow Homer's seaside studio is on display Monday, Sept. 17, 2012, in Scarborough, Maine. The fact is, this watercolor, unframed, was tucked away in the pages of a scrapbook and it's more than likely the family tossed it out with no idea anything valuable was in it, which is their problem. In order to prove that the painting was stolen, the Blakes need to pŕovide a Police report. It was featured in the second episode of the BBC TV series Fake or Fortune? I am not sure if its still going on, but at least she was clever enough to sell it on. Homer is een vertegenwoordiger van de realistische genreschilderkunst.Hij was een uitstekend dierschilder en maakte veel aquarellen. Nell Rose (author) from England on September 24, 2020: Thanks GS. He doesn't need to prove the painting is rightfully his, he just needs to cast doubt over the ownership so that the painting can't be sold. [4], On the day before the sale, Simon Murray (the great grandson of Sir Henry Blake) claimed ownership of the painting on behalf of the family. View the profiles of people named Clifford J. Schorer. Clifford Schorer says he loaned Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. And no its still not been resolved. [4] Mr. Murray, however, holds that Sotheby's never discussed the painting with his family and that his mother was unaware of the sale until she saw a report in the Telegraph. I do know of her. Hi Genee, Wow I never knew that! It is a shame that an agreement - say 50/50 - could not have been achieved - thereby saving a lot of legal fees and stress. There's no way it should be given to them. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 07, 2020: Maybe Peter, I do wish they would do a follow up about this, it is so frustrating. It's also amazing that this has been in limbon for so many years-Salina's kids are all grown and though college now, ostensibly what the proceeds would have been for. If I were written of, as these Murray's are written of, I would be so very ashamed. Children Under a Palm (or sometimes Children Under a Palm Tree) is a water colour painting by Winslow Homer. Just a question of time..... Selina, if you read these messages, take the 97% vote results to your lawyer, and sue the Blakes whe you successfully sue Sotheby's. Nell Rose (author) from England on January 29, 2018: Me too! we want details! Winslow Homer | ISBN 9780714839929 direct en eenvoudig te bestellen bij Boekhandel De Slegte. She was very surprised to hear about it. Since they have a standard of not marketing anything without complete agreement on authenticity by their panels, I was out of luck. Where have we gone wrong in the world, where politicians become fat cats who are self serving, and show no example for the poor or wealthy on the planet. [5] A preview of the sale appeared in the Daily Telegraph. The painting was not framed and was subsequently included among a number of works by Lady Blake who was herself an amateur artist. And I fully disagree with the author regarding splitting the proceeds. Certainly, Schorer has deeper pockets than Selena. The author places Homer against a background of American nationalism fuelled by tensions between American self-identity and European sophistication. This man, who comes from a family that is so wealthy they can jet of around the world just when they feel like it, belittles Selina, who is a kind and loving mother. Nell Rose (author) from England on October 23, 2014: Hi Todd, I totally agree with everything you say, its just plain stupid, and as for the remark about swimming pools etc I was so mad when I heard him say it! He learned that the work, Children Under a Palm Tree, had most likely been painted by Winslow Homer. Dolores Monet from East Coast, United States on September 12, 2014: Was the painting reported as stolen at the time it supposedly went missing? Nell Rose (author) from England on February 03, 2020: If you read down the page, the answer is there. Olive subsequently married John (Jack) Arbuthnot who wrote some of the Beachcomber columns. Drats! But Edith was a well-known, accomplished watercolorist who did very detailed renderings of the flora and fauna of the Bahamas, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Homer did do the sketch, but Edith Blake completed it. So frustrating and annoying. Nell Rose (author) from England on August 19, 2020: Exactly Shauna, it was just greed. Only a change of ownership from Selena to Clifford has maybe helped to alter the dynamics of the argument. lol! But she didn't. Then I found the info on the internet, so maybe not. lol! I was very disappointed with the way the show ended. Clifford Schorer says Selena Varney (used the painting as security for a loan. After investigation, they found that the painting was indeed an authentic Winslow Homer. Homer blev uddannet som litograf i sin fødeby, senere på New Yorks Nationalakademi. Free Shipping. thanks for reading, nell. At this point, Sotheby's had been in contact with Mrs. Blake, and she was told about the Painting. no wonder its still stuck at Sotheby's! It is in watercolour and pencil. Thanks for reading. [12] Mr. Murray conducted further research among his family's papers and claims to have found a letter which described the circumstances under which the painting was produced.[4]. I think we should start a "raise the funds" Paige for selina, get her her Original 30k for her kids and she cN do away with all this crap and have a wonderful life!! Winslow Homer (født 24. februar 1836 i Boston, død 30. september 1910 i Portland) var en nordamerikansk genre maler. She had also been given the Auction Catalogue which shows clearly the Painting and the sale price. I don't know. Nell Rose (author) from England on June 09, 2015: Hi Linda, yep I did wonder if it was that Clifford Shorer, I looked him up. Nell Rose (author) from England on July 14, 2020: Not sure what you mean by Goldfinch? That said, I'm still not convinced Homer actually did the painting. This does not need litigation. She was on holiday, and just happened to find it when she was looking for something in the said paper! A ground where he can flaunt around with his fancy words and farfetched unproven arguments. To him this lawsuit represents a personal challenge, since he has nothing to lose. In November 2013, a Massachusetts man named Clifford Schorer says he loaned Selena Rendell an unspecified amount and she used the painting as collateral. As you can imagine, he was stunned. Unfortunately, I have a bit of experience in trying to get Sotheby's to sell a piece. In 2009, Selina and her father packed their case and headed off to New York. I felt an instant dislike to the great grandson and his attitude to toward the family. Homer visited the Bahamas in the winters of 1884 and 1885. In fact Tony Varney and Selina, were more interested in the history of the piece. What pigs those people are. Nothing really to add, Selena has got a loan on the painting with a third party who now has claim on the painting, she owes this guy a considerable sum. I just wish she had thought of that! or been advised that, because I am sure those Blakes would have shut up then! As for the painting I think it is disgusting how Selina has been treated, and I hope that one day it works out for her, thanks for reading, nell. We have wealthy relatives who you would not believe would have done the most appalling things to a 90 year old. Nell Rose (author) from England on May 01, 2018: Thanks Kiri, I am glad that Selena found a way out, good for her. I think it was disgusting how the whole thing went down, in fact the so called evidence that appeared seemed a bit suspect to me! at least a the end she won out, thank goodness! Selina is the real owner, simple as that, as for the new so called owner coming forward, Selina should be able to sell the painting and then pay him off, thanks for reading, nell, Hi Dolores, no it was never reported, in fact it was 20 years before all this happened! Nell Rose (author) from England on October 24, 2016: Thanks Pennies Christie. This painting was so important they did not know it was missing. I do understand both parties. There's a statue of limitations that has expired for claims to the painting, so it's finder's keepers, loser's weepers. Now there's a thought. That of course is what would happen if Selina agreed. They were not very helpful! Good luck with it, as you can see by the Series, it can eventually be done but it does take time, good luck and thanks for reading. If the family don't have the records then the insurers might have these records. I even wrote to Sotheby's! Nell Rose (author) from England on August 17, 2020: I totally agree Robin. In October 2013, the London Evening Standard reported that Shirley Rountree (Simon Murray's mother and a descendant of Sir Henry Blake) was suing Sotheby's for "return" of the painting. Those who have not, have not, but those who have want more.... Nell Rose (author) from England on November 30, 2014: Hi Funda, I totally agree with you, I keep looking for news on this but nothing seems to have happened, and its quite a long time now, its disgusting how they have been treated, thanks so much for reading, nell. The latest news on this amazing story is that Clifford Schorer a rich entrepreneur, says he loaned Selena Rendall an unspecified amount of money in 2012, and she backed the loan with the painting - which is estimated to be worth as much as $250,000. Thanks for coming back, hope you are well? She doesn't need the money, got a pub with new husband, got a loan from a third party on the painting.... 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